that it is really a problem, and i think also, the really effective work that was done in copenhagen and trying to get the chinese and the indians in particular on board, because that's a big argument that the opponents make, is that, you know, we're going to do all this, we're going to, you know, raise our energy prices, we're going to make it harder to do business and then china and india are going to go take advantage of that and use that as a competitive advantage and we're going to lose more jobs, so -- but there are lots and lots of examples on both sides of effective messaging and ineffective and i think professor griffin will talk about that later. he'll probably give you a lot more insight into it too. yeah. >> we talked about -- [inaudible] -- if so, why and if you've seen advantages or disadvantages to that or not being a federally registered lobbyist and working through them instead. >> well, i've only been doing this for two years and in the two years i've been doing it, the rules have been very clear, so you know, there is -- there's really not much gray in what i do. you know, i'